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PostSubject: Pathfinder has echoes of 4e in it?   Thu Oct 10, 2013 1:47 pm

I had heard little bits in the past like at-will cantrips not always certain how true to form they are -- the recent case in point is in Mythic Adventures. alah Action Points / Surges.

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/mythic

Or perhaps it just looks like they are shooting for a flavor I find familiar.

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One suspects Lugh Long-hand Samildánach (a wright/carpenter, a sailor, a smith/bronze craftsman, a healer, a champion, a harpist, a poet/historian, a sorcerer, cupbearer) would agree.
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PostSubject: Re: Pathfinder has echoes of 4e in it?   Thu Oct 10, 2013 5:19 pm

Garthanos wrote:
I had heard little bits in the past like at-will cantrips not always certain how true to form they are -- the recent case in point is in Mythic Adventures. alah Action Points / Surges.

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/mythic

Or perhaps it just looks like they are shooting for a flavor I find familiar.
It's said that Pathfinder was actually just the backup system Paizo had in case their relationship with WotC soured (which it did, thanks to the GSL), and they apparently did get inspiration from D&D 4E.

  • At-will cantrips
  • Mythic adventures
  • "Training" and skill progression based on level (the first point you allocate in PF adds +3 to a check, much like how training in a skill in 4E gives you +5 to a check, and at each level you can increase each skill, much like a manually adjusted version of D&D 4E's "gain half level to checks")
  • Traits (bonuses from certain backgrounds that work a lot like an expanded form of D&D 4E's backgrounds in PHB2 and/or themes as found in Dark Sun Campaign Setting and DMG2)
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PostSubject: Re: Pathfinder has echoes of 4e in it?   Fri Oct 11, 2013 8:52 am

Mythic Power and Surges are like 4e Action points at there core... but with recovery of the points fairly wild including wrapped in critical hits and similar things.

Then take your feats/powers and add a if you spend an action point on them they get this specific boost.

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One suspects Lugh Long-hand Samildánach (a wright/carpenter, a sailor, a smith/bronze craftsman, a healer, a champion, a harpist, a poet/historian, a sorcerer, cupbearer) would agree.
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