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PostSubject: My Changes to 4e (so far)   Tue Oct 22, 2013 11:48 pm

I've 'modded' 4e a little bit over the past year or two. I figured, 'why not?' and 'F* it; WotC is stopping it anyway'

I added some weapons and armor...e.g. Heavy Crossbow. Martial ranged. 1d12/high crit. Range: 25/50. Loading is a move action. Katana: Can use DEX instead of STR (w/ weapon finesse) Exotic light blade. 1d10/versatile.
I added some complex weapon/armor material rules for Dark Sun...But, we wound up ignoring them, lol. Bone, Chitin, Bronze, Copper, Obsidian, Stone, etc, etc...It was cool but too much to worry about.

I changed PC damage a bit. I felt that was easier than dropping monster HP. It's really simple: At level 11, everyone gets one extra damage die. And at level 21, everyone gets 2 extra damage dice. ie: at heroic tier, your basic attacks, AEDU powers are as written. At paragon, you get an extra 1w and 1dx for your basics, and AEDUs. At epic, you get 2w and 2dx to your basic attacks and powers. So, say a dagger goes from 1d4 to 2d4 to 3d4 as you climb levels.

Also, instead of picking a higher level power, and losing a lower level power as you advance, you can add damage dice and/or effects to an older power in place of dropping it for a new power. Within reason, obviously. I talk this through with the player, it'd be too hard to just write a 'rule' about something so customizable.

I felt this was necessary to speed up battles a bit, and account for some monsters' crazy high HP. Adding the 13th age 'escalation' die to encounters is happening too. But, the monsters sometimes get to use it too. Twisted Evil Chipping away at a solo or elite(s) with just at-wills when the beastie has 100+ HP left has happened...and no one likes it. 

For a few sessions, just for fun, I had everyone just pick AEDUs from whatever classes they wanted, and pick 4 'class abilities' from whatever classes they wanted (i.e.: 'spell book' + 'healing word' + 'sneak attack' + 'mark w/ melee attack'). Also, everyone got training in any 4 skills. Sort of a free form multi-classing/classless game. It actually worked! LOL. No one did anything broken or over-powered, and we had fun with it through levels 1-6, just as a break in 'serious' campaigning. Interestingly, my friends/players came up with really amazing and detailed back stories explaining why their PC's had those particularly weird skill-sets. Obviously, something that free-form in 4e probably wouldn't work at paragon/epic w/o TONS of work...but it was a great experiment.

I tweaked the damage of the Psion up too...they (in the RAW) didn't do nearly as much damage as other controllers, especially at epic levels. Even with blowing all their power points quickly. Same with the Seeker/aka arcane archer. But, no one wants to try a Seeker...Sad  I used one as a companion/NPC for a few sessions and I liked it. At least at low levels (4-6).

<EDIT> Another thing I'm thinking about doing is to make initiative get a bonus from WIS instead of DEX. My rationale is the idea that being able to walk a tightrope or juggle knives successfully has little to do with noticing that some monsters are about to throw down with you. WIS is the attribute that relates to being observant, after all...


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PostSubject: Re: My Changes to 4e (so far)   Fri Oct 25, 2013 4:06 pm

I could see Wis for initiative. Maybe the lower of Dex or Wis? You need to be able to mentally and physically respond.
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PostSubject: Re: My Changes to 4e (so far)   Mon Oct 28, 2013 12:51 pm

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I could see Wis for initiative.  Maybe the lower of Dex or Wis? You need to be able to mentally and physically respond.
Ooooh I like that.. Lower of Trick - "Dump stats are EVILE"

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PostSubject: Re: My Changes to 4e (so far)   Mon Aug 25, 2014 12:59 pm

We've done some hybriding between 4e and 13th Age and have been quite pleased with the outcome:

Removed Expertise feats and added Escalation Die. Result: faster combats and discouragement of alpha strike/nova tactics.

Changed grid movement for zones of relative proximity. Up to 5 square becomes 'nearby', 6+ squares becomes 'far away'. Movement standardized to 5 for all characters. Area targeting handled through dice rolls.

'Daily' resources (including healing surges) recovering every 4 battles (or upon GM call), regardless of the in-game clock.

Next I'd like to try doing away with the 'milestone' concept and allow a 16+ recharge roll for Daily powers and Action Points at the end of battle, upon taking a short rest.

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PostSubject: Re: My Changes to 4e (so far)   Tue Aug 26, 2014 9:55 am

I have done a few minor additions to my 4E games. Of course nothing that gets in to the mechanics quite as much as what the previous posts have done.

I use a form of escalation die for my game. It starts at 0 in round 1 and goes up by 1 at the end of each round. It also goes up by 1 whenever a player rolls a natural 20 on an attack. This bonus only adds to attack rolls by the players.

I always use the inherent bonus mechanic as standard in my games. It works really well to keep all of the attacks and defenses at a functional level.

I have a house rule of the "re-roll" chip. Whoever is at my house before the designated start time (7:30 PM) as shown on my phone will get a chip that they can cash in at any time during that game session to re-roll any roll. It can be their own roll, it can be a roll against them (like an attack by an enemy), and it can be a roll that someone else in the group made (but they need that player's permission). I let them re-roll damage if they want, or saves, or skill checks. It can be any roll. And it is all of the dice in a roll. So if their damage is 4d6+something and they don't like it, they can re-roll all of the 4d6.

I have removed alignment entirely as it has caused more arguments in games than any other rule ever (and this has been my experience in every edition of D&D).

I like the idea of a DM call for resetting of daily resources. I might try something like that. I actually like the "roll for recharge" thing. Although, my first thought is that they can try to roll to recover things when they reach a milestone. I like the milestone mechanic, personally.

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PostSubject: Re: My Changes to 4e (so far)   Sun Jan 04, 2015 2:55 am

seti wrote:
I've 'modded' 4e a little bit over the past year or two. I figured, 'why not?' and 'F* it; WotC is stopping it anyway'...

...instead of picking a higher level power, and losing a lower level power as you advance, you can add damage dice and/or effects to an older power in place of dropping it for a new power. Within reason, obviously. I talk this through with the player, it'd be too hard to just write a 'rule' about something so customizable.

I have thought of doing this myself. Cool

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